AYF-News> Nigeria vrs S. Africa Embassy – Positive response

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8th November 2007
09:00


Dear Forumers,

Keep this dialogue going please and hopefully many good things will come out of 
this.
 
Best wishes. 

Festyj
Secured Realty Inc
Boston

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Ladies and Gentleman

The above-mentioned subject matter refers.

The South African High Commission highly appreciates any comments with regard 
to the treatment of visa applicants in the High Commission and when provided 
with evidence of any unbecoming behaviour by the South African High Commission 
officials, will take the necessary steps. The relevant official wrote to assist 
a visa applicant not to engage in any
debate, as he is of the opinion that any complaints should be forwarded through 
the appropriate channel. You are welcome to call the South African High 
Commission with your complaints on these numbers: +234 1 461 2067, 461 2981, 
461 2982. For the members of the public who are in the West, you are also 
welcome to write to the High Commission with your complaints and the address is 
as follows: High Commission of the Republic of South Africa, 24 Molade Okoya 
Thomas Street, Victoria Island, Lagos, Federal Republic of Nigeria or you can 
e-mail the High Commission on this e-mail address: lagsafrica@xxxxxxxxxx 

We are currently dealing with the case of Mrs. Adedina. 

Regarding the issue of crime in our country, rest assured that the relevant 
authorities are dealing with the challenge and any assistance that can be 
provided by a fellow African country or the writer, Mr. Emmanuel Odigie, will 
be highly appreciated.     

Your kind assistance in excusing me from this debate will indeed be highly 
appreciated. Your kind assistance in forwarding any complaints, with evidence, 
to the above-mentioned addresses will be highly appreciated.

I remain yours sincerely in anticipation of your understanding.

LG Tawe
Second Secretary
South African High Commission
Lagos

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Dear Comrades,
 
I want to appreciate everyone for their effortless contributions to the current 
issue making round on the internet. Many have spoken their minds, while others 
are still watching to see how elites in this forum analysis important, but 
sensitive issue as it affect our dear Africans and the continent at large. 
 
While many have contributed meaningfully to the present discuss, I am, however 
amazed that quite a reasonable proportion of members in this forum analyze 
issues subjectively as against the background of objective analysis, this forum 
upholds. I think we are quick at leaving substance to pursue shadow.  If I am 
right, the current issue is about somebody who enters into an agreement with 
South African Embassy. This bond (with borrowed money) according to the 
gentleman is required by the SA embassy and this money is meant to be refunded 
upon the fulfillment of the terms of agreement and not otherwise. This person 
had stated clearly that haven satisfied his obligation of the agreement, the SA 
embassy continue to hold on to his money, perhaps borrowed from the bank at a 
high cost. To me, the issue is very clear to the understanding of an ordinary 
person. 
 
Surprisingly, instead of members of this forum to reason on how to investigate 
the matter and make sure justice is done where necessary, many are quick at 
analyzing history far from the subject matter. The question at the moment is 
not whether West Africans, and indeed Nigerians have questionable character, 
but it is all about justice. Any thing could happen to any person from the 
continent and one of the responsibilities of this forum is to ensure justice 
and not to compound things for the “innocents”. How to ensure justice should be 
the concern of members as it relates to this issue and not the other way round. 
Two wrongs can not make a right. Nigerians have questionable character is not 
enough for SA embassy to go against the terms of agreement entered with her 
client from Nigeria.   
 
For some of us good at history, we must be ready to tell the two sides of the 
coin. Nigeria has being using tax payers’ money to champion peace in Africa. 
The government has been involved in sending aid to other African countries. Of 
course the country has being consistently sending peace keepers to other 
African countries. Nigerian professors are in different parts of Africa 
educating others under the sponsorship of Nigerian government. The finances of 
these programmes are coming from tax payers’ money and the generation from 
resources meant for her citizens to enjoy. Like I said before, those good at 
telling tales must be ready to tell the two sides of the coin. 
 
On the issue at hand, the present challenge before this forum is to investigate 
what actually transpired between the gentleman and the SA embassy, and finds 
way to ensure justice. 
 
Ben Ehikioya
Nigeria

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This discussion is getting very funny and extending to other issues. 
Ordinarily, I would have allowed  Odhiambo's comment pass by, but to clear some 
issues he is not in grasp with. I don't want to be as impolite as he is nor 
join issues with him. I was in Kenya for three weeks, on a  tour. I was warned 
from the onset that Nairobi (Nairobbery) could be as dangerous as SA in terms 
of robbery. That tells you how dangerous Kenyans are.

I visited the most horrifying slum on earth (Kibera) where Pigs and Human being 
struggle for a space. The life in Kibera is one that no one would ever in 
his/her wildest dream imagine, yet the people live and mutiply there in 
millions. Yes, they are happy to be there, but obviously unaware of the health 
risks.

Well for kenyans its a normal way of life.

Let me also, not in defense of my country but to correct the impression that 
Nigerian are known as fraudsters. If people like you and the rest of those 
greedy gluttons who would like to convert what does not belong to them are not 
there perhaps,419 as it called in Nigeria would have not been an issue. ANYBODY 
THAT FALL FOR THEM IS ALSO DUBIOUS
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It is very uncivilized for anyone to talk the way my friend from Kenya in 
defence of his country is talking. We are only talking about issues, and not 
attacking people, it depicts his insensibility of what happens at the airport 
and he has no right to talk about a country that has done so much for the world.

If we must change our world as youths, then we better stop looking and talking 
of a Country like that.

Nigeria has done so much for the rest of African, including thousands of our 
soldiers that die in peace keeping, not to talk about our extra budgets to help 
other countries, against the wish of the poor people in Nigeria.

I will like the moderator to filter some of these contributions to avoid 
confrontations.

Nduka Ozor
Nigeria

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Dear Nduka,
 
I think your reaction is normal but I have the impression that you didn't get 
me correctly in my first email relating to this issue.
 
I'm not supporting the all kind  of harassment and treatments the  Nigerians 
colleagues are  raising in the visa process to the SA Embassy. The point I was 
making was that we need to adress it in using both the virtual community and 
diplomatic bodies to correct it once for even. Do you think the simple fact to 
reimburse the deposit will change this situation ? I'm not quiet sure !
 
So we need to adress this issue as an Africa  issue and find the best way to 
collect other exemples from the different countries and definitly send a Memo 
to the SA Goverment. This can mobilize their South Africa Immigration policy 
and the other countries abusing our rights to move freely around the continent.
 
I hope we should look to ourselves as one community and work together to adress 
common issues in the same spirit.
 
I hope this has been clearer then it was before.
 
Kind wishes

Franck KAMUNGA 
Africa Democracy Forum 
Nairobi Kenya

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